I have always loved Dogs Today,they have such interesting articles.It's very difficult regarding Leptospirosis because if rats have urinated in an area,and you or your dog come into contact with it there is a risk.Rivers,streams,farms in fact many areas rats can be found can be a risk,and a danger to both animals and humans.Skip has regular contact to all of these places,so I would be scared if he wasn't vaccinated,yet worry about vaccinations too.Dogs who go into kennels must have an up to date vaccination certificate,so it's a very confusing situation,yet horrendous if our own dog was one of the unlucky ones. Just checked Skips vac card from December,relieved to see lepto 2.
Post by Pawsforthought on Mar 4, 2015 18:57:22 GMT
migsy, we're going to investigate the lepto nosode and probably start using it the thing that sways me more towards the anti vaccine side on this one is the fact that most dogs shed the vaccine after weeks, so the possible dangers of the vaccine don't seem worth it to me. Apparently we're in a lepto-affected area, so far no one has become ill and they squelch around in all the most disgusting mud and puddles!
The annoying thing is, the disease is horrible and dangerous, but so is the vaccine, potentially. You're damned if you do (vaccinate) and damned if you don't :/
I do know someone who has been using nosodes for a number of years and he hasn't had any problems, so I do find that comforting.
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When I was doing research into the rabies vaccine last year, I read an interesting article about dogs becoming immune purely through light environmental contact (aka not actually getting bitten!) to that and other diseases. I wonder if that can happen with Lepto too.
Hi All, Just thought I'd share my experiences regarding vaccinations, our dog 8 year old labradoodle Lolli, has just had her annual booster jab, and lepto 4 was the one she had. She's had an adverse reaction to this new booster, she's ok on the lepto 2. Her reaction to the jab was, lethargy, the loss of fur in clumps around her rear end, really sensitive to brushing of her coat around this area and a tender belly. Following research on this site I've requested the vet submits an adverse reaction report, which hopefully they will do. Also have done the VMA/ defra notification. The vet seems to think this reaction is nothing to do with the vaccination, and that our dog is suffering from another ailment, however the shedding seems to have slowed down and the sensitivity seems to have subsided. Jst thought I'd share these symptoms with the board as these haven't been mentioned yet!
Hey there, thanks for the info! If your vet won't report the adverse reaction, you could ask a different vet to and seek advice from them? Glad to hear the symptoms seem to be subsiding, hope she returns to normal soon.
Thought I'd share this with you all. A month ago I took my 2 year old Labrador for her yearly booster shots. When I got to the vets they explained that her boosters were changed for this year and included a new vaccine for Lepto, they explained it wouldn't cost any extra so naturally I went along with it. Two days later my dog collapsed in the kitchen, she was off her food, off her water, couldn't walk a few steps without flopping down and when I touched her stomach she bit me. I rushed her back down to my vets who said it couldn't possibly be related to the vaccine as the timescale was too late. They said she had an inflammed stomach and a infection. They gave her antibiotics, painkillers, antisickness shot as well as tablets to bring home. All for the tune of £150 On Tuesday I took her for her 4 week follow up booster and once again today she's collapsed with the exact same symptoms as before. By now I was furious. Went straight to the vets (luckilly our vet is brilliant) and told me to give her all these medications and he agreed that as it's happened again it is related to the vaccine, most likely a severe allergic reaction.
He's put it on her notes that she's not to have that vaccine again. I'm furious. I'm contacting the head office and will be seeking legal advice as I think it's scandalous £300 to treat something caused by a vaccine in the first place.
So just warning anyone else who's getting boosters to be wary and if your dog has it please watch them carefully for any unusual symptoms upto 48 hours after the vaccinations.
I know this is an old thread but this thread led me here from Google whilst trying to figure out why my lovely mini yorkie was showing some unusual symptoms right after getting his booster shot (Nobivac L4) on Saturday. A normally happy friendly dog, suddenly withdrew from everyone, went into hiding and started licking his paws excessively. He wouldn't come out or eat/drink. The licking was constant and you could tell he was in some form of distress as he was making sad noises.
My research showed that over 2000 dogs in the UK have died from the side effects of this vaccine, yet nothing seems to have made the manufacturers change anything. When I rang my vet to tell her this and she replied, "well millions of other dogs are still alive, we use this vaccine everyday with no problems and each dog is different, there's not much we can do. Plus people overeact when they read about stats, etc" - not quite the answer I was expecting. Am I right in thinking these vets do not care, and that the lives of those 2000 dogs dead from Nobivac L4, do not count?
Thankfully, 48 hours of panic and care later, my dog seems to be getting back into his normal self but I am still reeling. What is the best substitute annual vaccination out there? As a newbie, I am open to trying the best suitable and perhaps even homeopathic options available if anyone knows of any. Thanks for reading.
The manufacturer will do nothing unless any adverse side effects are reported, therefore the first thing I would say is can you approach your vet again and insist that your vet reports back to the manufacturer that they have had a dog with adverse reaction? If they will not then can you ask them for the information how to report it yourself, i.e you are not going to let this go!
I think someone on here implied you can report it to a government body too (think Defra)as they are the ones who license the drugs that can be used in the UK. i.e they have the ability to ban it if there is enough evidence that it is not safe!
As for vaccinating again, I would seriously question this with your vet (or another vet who might be impartial). Your dog has had a reaction and so personally if I was in your shoes I would not want my dog having that specific vaccine again! You can always ask what the local risk of Lepto is in your area, i.e does you vet see lepto cases as this may help you decide what is best way forward for your dog (where I live they do). If you really do want to vaccinate for Lepto you could always ask if your vet still stocks L2 or a different brand of L4. Sometimes one brand of vaccine suits some dogs better than others! There are Titre tests but the vet I use is not encouraging over the one for lepto.
The vets are given a guideline I think from the British Small Animal Veterinary Association regarding vaccinations. My understanding is core vaccinations (parvo, distemper etc) are every 3 years and non core (lepto, KC etc) yearly. However dogs should be healthy when vaccinated so vets should not blindly vaccinate regardless! There is question as to if the core vaccines last longer than 3 yrs so maybe in future this regime might change.
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scallywag: Oooo just spotted this hope you feel better soon lotsofcats x
Nov 29, 2017 17:20:55 GMT
caz2golden: Just found out all the Natwest branches in county are going except the one that is difficult to get to! Wish there was a way to get the idiots decision makers to reconsider!
Dec 1, 2017 16:07:10 GMT
caz2golden: Yeah, not raining today so dogs went to the beach, as it would have been too wet to walk anywhere else so now have sandy mutts all happy and content and asleep! Dread the sand in carpet later!
Dec 1, 2017 16:13:21 GMT
scallywag: Lloyds are closing braches too waiting to hear if our town will be affected also Halifax are going to reduce counter staff force you to use the machine, isnt that bad for the OAP and others who dont have technology on both counts mum hasnt a clue
Dec 2, 2017 4:33:21 GMT
caz2golden: I will admit I do not use bank that often other than to sort problems and bank cash / cheques. I do however use bank (different one) for work so am highly aware how this will affect businesses which need ease of access and are usually banking cash..
Dec 2, 2017 16:38:02 GMT
caz2golden: I should not have bothered walking dogs today, only lead walk up lane but they came back as flat coats with all the mud, their jumpers are now in the washing machine!
Dec 2, 2017 16:39:52 GMT
lotsofcats: Several of our local banks have closed and others only open on certain days. I feel sorry for old people and traders who rely on taking their cash to the bank in the local town.
Dec 4, 2017 12:47:42 GMT
caz2golden: It just feels wrong, local town is already struggling, removal of bank is only likely to increase this issue!
Dec 4, 2017 19:20:04 GMT
scallywag: Sooooo quiet on here
Dec 5, 2017 17:39:54 GMT
lotsofcats: I think we may have snow on the way for Friday and Saturday. I can't take my new car out in the snow!!
Dec 6, 2017 16:24:24 GMT
caz2golden: We are due to miss it Lotsofcats. We want snow! lol
Dec 6, 2017 17:40:08 GMT
scallywag: I flaming well don't want snow not with Poor Beau the way he is
Dec 6, 2017 18:17:17 GMT
caz2golden: Agree Scallywag, you definitely do not want snow with Beau recovering. Still wish we were having some, would love to get a dogs in snow picture, instead looks like here it will be rain. Think Lotsofcats might get quite a bit tomorrow.
Dec 7, 2017 19:59:17 GMT
lotsofcats: Snowed in! Go woken up at 4am by a car trying to go up the hill outside my house.
Dec 10, 2017 9:47:09 GMT
caz2golden: Just seen a facebook post thanking people for voting for dogmatic in the your dog product awards, wondering who are the other winners?
Dec 10, 2017 16:57:11 GMT
caz2golden: I am getting sick of unpredictable and wet weather. Looks lovely outside at the moment but worried the heavens will open again at any given moment from what the 4cast implies. Been like this for days (feel like weeks)
Dec 14, 2017 11:25:58 GMT