Sorry to hear you are having problems with pepper, I wish you luck in getting the situation sorted out. I suppose I have been lucky in that all of my dogs past and present have been pretty independent and have been happy to take themselves off to bed or whatever with no problems scallywag, Samson will often go into the kitchen to go into his bed when he's tired but will sometimes like a cuddle on the couch as well .
It sounds to me like peppers learnt to predict the times when she has to go into her crate, like bedtime and mealtimes (do you tend to have meals at around the same times?). Like bextull said there is a big difference between wanting to and being told to. Try to mix the times up a bit and around those times put some treats in her crate to encourage her to go in willingly and make it positive for her. This may be better if the other two were out of the room as they may try to steal the treats otherwise and this could cause trouble!
I know what its like to live with 3 dogs, I lived with 3 males (one entire, two neutered) when I used to stay with my dad in cornwall, luckily they all got on fine and we never had many issues (well except Winston, my step mums dog, trying to steal the other twos food, he was such a thief! we ended up having to separate them all)
Do the dogs all go in the crates at the same time? sorry if you have mentioned this, I have literally just skimmed through this thread.
If not it may be better if they do so pepper does not think she is better than the other two and has more privileges like getting to stay up later or whatever, with our 3 dogs they all got pretty much the same so none of them got any ideas . And trust me, Winston definitely would of if he got the chance! .
Sorry if some of this doesn't make sense btw, I am typing this while also finishing an assignment.
Gypsy used to get possessive over things (probably still would if circumstances were right but have not had issue in ages - can not remember the last time tbh). Though she is a lot more grumpy!!
Used to get possessive over a rawhide (ok learnt about them so they dont exist in my dogs world anymore). Dealt with that by calling her away for a treat (usually human food such as cheese etc) and once she had left it the bone would be removed, if she brought the bone alternatively she would be asked to drop it and it was replaced by the treat. i.e we had good drop and come commands.
She occasionally decided she did not want to move off a chair or a dog bed and I am afraid my method of moving her you would probably not agree with !! I would just push/lift back of chair till she had to shift! As for dog bed it was one of the raised ones and if I just nudged one corner and as such shifted the bed slightly she tended to move without a fuss.
Have you considered using a house line? That might give you the ability to move her without actually getting too close to her! Not talking about dragging her off the chair or bed etc but the ability to say come / off / in cage (or whatever command you use) and then ability to gently put pressure on collar to reinforce that you mean the command you have just asked of her. It may be enough to change the situation from one of the dog wanting their own way and you wanting yours!
Haha caz2golden I use exactly the same methods as you!
If Alfie has stolen something and hidden behind the curtain, I'll call him away for a treat then get him to stay in the kitchen while I remove whatever it was (or ask him to drop it if he brought it with him)
If he's refusing to get out of the dog bed he gets tipped out of it (gently!), he soon learned to get moving when I asked him to
Sorry all, I opened this thread to reply last night but fell asleep before I even got chance to read any replies!
bectil I can try, however, if I fall asleep that will be pointless haha. Last night I basically lured her out of the living room with a treat and it worked. She used to be really good about going to bed at bedtime so I'm hoping we can get back to that.
scallywag that's the weird thing, she doesn't really like being right next to us all the time. She'll get up and lie on us at certain times, but she doesn't like constant contact (a good thing I suppose).
boxerluver30 She does get a bedtime treat as standard, they all do. So there's always a biscuit in her crate by the time she's going to bed. Ellie and Cody go to bed when my parents go to bed and Pepper tends to stay up for another hour or so with me (or another 3 hours like last night).
caz2golden We have, in the past, physically shifted her but she does not like that at all and tends to do the growling then so we don't do it anymore. No point risking being bitten! I have considered a house line but I'm not sure how practical it would be. Tonight there was no problem at tea time because we had takeaway and the delivery person had been at the door so they were all at the gate, desperate to get out and see who was at the door and that made it easy to get them into their crates.
Ahh right I get you orpheous87, sorry like I said my attention was focused on an assignment at the time I was writing my post (which I still haven't finished lol) so I didn't read through everything. I'm sure you will find a solution soon though, good luck
Post by Pawsforthought on Jun 16, 2016 14:00:40 GMT
I know you've had a lot of good replies, but just adding my thoughts in case it helps!
Milo has a similar reaction when he gets someone's shoe (which he isn't supposed to have.) He will lay near the shoe or even over it, and if you move to take it he will growl and snarl. It starts off being a 'naughty' behaviour, and he seems to find it fun being chased for the shoe (so we don't do that any more,) but when it becomes clear to him that we're going to remove the shoe his attitude changes and becomes much more anxious and possessive. I therefore think that even though when the behaviour starts he's having fun, the cause of the growling seems to be anxiety based. Could it not be that Pepper feels anxious about being removed from her spot, and may become stressed when approached around dinner time?
Regardless, if she is growling she obviously isn't happy and I would make sure that getting off the sofa means a reward.
I'd probably do two things: one would be to really practise getting off the sofa and also into her crate for rewards, making sure not to approach her when you're going to ask her to get off, and the second would be to make sure to approach her around dinner time with treats and hugs and NOT ask her off, so she can't predict when she is going to be asked to get off. Removing this ability to predict really helped with Milo, who HATED being approached when he had a shoe. I had to actually play tug with him with shoes for a while so he thought me coming over was going to be fun. I moved that on to asking for "give" once I had the shoe in my hand, and we'd run off together to find a tasty treat for being good!
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Every little helps Pawsforthought! She is a generally grumpy dog, I have to admit, but there obviously will be an underlying cause somewhere. We have our zoopharmacognosy session booked in for the 2nd of July, so I'm looking forward to seeing if that can help any.
I'm going to practice on and off the settee with her over the weekend I think, I just need to choose my moments so that she's on her own. The other two don't help anything, especially Cody, since he's quick to snap and bark at her. She's absolutely fine about going to her crate if she's in the kitchen or hall, or even on her feet in the living room so I definitely think she just doesn't want to be moved off the settee or her bed. I can't pinpoint anything that's happened to her on one of these in the past, but I'm betting there will be something (and I also bet it's something to do with my brother).
caz2golden: Seems to be boiling hot today!
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scallywag: Been boiling hot down / over here in the East for past 2 weeks
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alfiemummy: It's most likely your mouse that needs replacing Caz - that's happened to me twice now and both times it's been fixed by getting a new mouse
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tonib: Sounds like it was a good job we didn't have Roman as a kitten then. He's never misbehaved like that, only his first Xmas with us when he half-inched the stuffing! - I hope that's not famous last words!
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tonib: Lexie is another matter but usually not breakables - except potentially of herself when she fell behind the large display cabinet/sideboard on being left alone for the 1st time in our dining room aged 2.5 years!!!
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tonib: She jumped on top (via the table I believe) & managed to fall between it & the wall & appeared to be suspended by her head part way down (the gap narrowed!) I had to get a burly neighbour in to help move it, quickly moving weight/breakables as pos. 1st
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tonib: She was fine but got checked by vet just in case! That was a heart stopping time, especially her cries!
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lotsofcats: I can remember when that happened with Lexi.
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tonib: You've got a good memory, that was in 2012 I posted on the old YC forum
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